KUER News Transcript: June 23, 2000
By Bryan Schott
Candidates for attorney general are, in essence,
applying for the job as lawyer for the state of Utah and
the state's chief law enforcement official. But just what
do those jobs entail, and how will the two Republican primary
candidates approach those responsibilities?
SCHOTT: The duties as the state's lawyer are pretty
simple to understand, according to University of Utah law
professor Paul Cassell. He says the attorney general handles
legal actions the state might bring.
CASSELL: "Probably the best known
example in recent years has been the states' suit against
the tobacco companies. So it's that kind of litigation, not
the day-to-day small litigation, but some of the larger litigation
that the attorney general would be handling."
For example, if the Department of
Environmental Quality wants to take action against a polluter,
the attorney general's office would handle it. The office
deals with legal work for the Department of Child and Family
Services and prosecutes murder cases involving children, and
when the American Civil Liberties Union sued the foster care
board over new rules on who can adopt children, the attorney
general's office took the case.
The attorney general is also the
chief law enforcement officer for the state. That suggests
the attorney general has control over the police force, but
Cassell says that's not the case.
CASSELL: "The attorney general cannot
send police officers out into the streets to police a particular
neighborhood or fight a particular type of crime. But on the
other hand the attorney general does have a very very important
policy-making role in the sense of using the office as a bully
pulpit. The attorney general can announce particular priorities
or particular problems that law enforcement should be working
on; can work cooperatively with law enforcement agencies to
see that somthing's done. So I think the attorney general
has a crucial role in efforts for fighting crime, even if
it's not a role in the day-to-day operation of the system."
Jan Graham is known for using her
bully pulpit to champion efforts against domestic violence.
Both of the candidates for the Republican nomination say they
also would use their office as a platform to push an agenda
that would be tough on crime, but their focus differs slightly.
Frank Mylar says,
MYLAR: "We need a two-fold approach
from the A.G.'s office, one that focuses on the root problems
of crime, why children are now more dangerous than they used
to be in the 40's and 50's. And on the other hand we need
to start having swift consequences for criminals. That means
they shouldn't be treated as victims, they shouldn't be allowed
to read Playboy and Penthouse in their prison cells as some
do today. They need to know they are being punished for committing
a crime and not just slapped on the wrist and turned out the
door."
His opponent, Mark Shurtleff, wants
the office to get back to the basics.
SHURTLEFF: "The attorney general
needs to do more than just take one or two pet projects and
use the bully pulpit. They need to stand up and say as chief
law enforcer and prosecutor of this state, 'I want to pull
everybody together and get everybody in same room and sit
down and create a comprehensive crime reduction plan for the
state of Utah. It is a broad-based, across-the-board plan
to involve the entire state and community,' and this position,
this leadership position is key--to use that to say we're
going to do something. We're going to do it together."
But using the bully pulpit to help
shape public policy has caused problems in the past. In 1998,
the Utah Legislature passed a law stripping the A.G.'s office
of the power to make policy decisions on civil matters, giving
that role to the governor. Gov. Mike Leavitt and Jan Graham
argued famously about which official has authority over which
legal decisions. The new law means, for example, that in a
civil environmental violation, if the governor wanted to settle
the case and the attorney general wanted to prosecute, the
A.G. would have to do as the governor asks. Mark Shurtleff
says he wouldn't have a problem working under those conditions.
SHURTLEFF: "The Utah Constitution's
pretty clear when it talks about the attorney general: that
attorney general shall be the legal advisor to the state and
its agencies. That's always been there. The problem has come
up where I may have to sue my own client, for example. Jan
Graham's problems with the Legislature and the governor came
from not doing the constitutional responsiblilty of representing
the state and its agencies and started doing, making decisions
on her own saying, 'I represent the people.' See, it's cost
the taxpayers tons of money, because every single state agency
and department has gone out and hired their own attorneys.
Now that, to me, that's unconstitutional in that the constitution
says the attorney general shall do that. Does that mean I
won't be a, quote, watchdog of sorts? No. That's still a separate
role as an elected attorney general--to make sure other officials
obey the law and are ethical in that approach. So there may
arise the occasion where as an attorney I might have to investigate
or even perhaps sue or maybe even prosecute my own client."
Frank Mylar agrees the A.G. works
for the governor, but he describes the relationship with a
slightly different emphasis:
MYLAR: "I strongly believe on one
hand the attorney general is an independent office and should
not be told what to do as far as its legal advice it renders.
On the other hand, the attorney general needs to realize that
it's not the client. The client, however, is not just the
state agency. The state agency is one potential client, the
governor is an other potenitial client and the citizens of
utah are the third potential client. And all of those clients'
interests sometimes need to be balanced, in what is done in
litigation. If it comes to a matter of policy, well, as attorney
general I may bring out my policy. But when push comes to
shove on some issues, that would be for the people in the
Legislature to work out. So sometimes I might bring out policy
issues where I disageree, but if there's not a legal disagreement,
then i think often the attorney general does have the obligation
as an attorney to follow what the client says."
On most of the issues in the race,
the candidates are in agreement. Both want to reduce the skyrocketing
number of rape cases. Both express a desire to protect the
most vulnerable members of society, the elderly and children.
Both want to fight the rising problem of substance abuse and
domestic violence. But the beliefs driving their campaigns
might be the biggest distinction between the two. Mylar is
philosophical - he talks about an erosion in "family values"
as the cause for many of society's ills.
MYLAR: "I think pornography is proliferating
and children's access to it is proliferating, and that helps
lead to sex crimes. It helps lead to more dysfunctional families
and it also helps lead to abuse. On the other part of that
is sometimes parental rights are sometimes being trampled.
There needs to be a reasonable balance struck between protecting
parental rights on one hand and intervening when there's abuse
and neglect. When good parents appropriately spank their children,
they need to know that that's okay and the state is not going
to take away their children. Right now there are a lot of
people who are literally afraid to spank their children, cause
they feel the state may take them away."
On the other hand, Shurtleff is
utilitarian. He thinks the A.G.'s office has gone astray under
Jan Graham and he wants to get it back to doing its job.
SHURTLEFF: "This attorney general
role is about being a leader. Law enforcement isn't going
be seeing me coming in and telling them how to do their jobs.
Because we've worked together, I've trained their officers,
I've led committes that they've served on in law enforcement
issues. And I can step right in to this role and go to work
not only with legislators but with sheriffs and theres over
a hundred county commissioners and other elected officials.
Leadership right off the bat and going to work and changing
things."
Ultimately, candidates must have
a vision for what they want to do while in office. Where does
Mark Shurtleff see the attorney general's office in four years?
SHURTLEFF: "The key is to make things
work again. After four years people will be saying that attorney
general came in here and reduced crime in this state so we
no longer lead the nation in any category. I will take the
lead in bringing people together working with the judges and
the courts, with prosecutors, with the state, to make the
changes we need to start fixing that system."
As for Mylar:
MYLAR: "I would like to see some
plans that are working to deal with our youth, our troubled
youth and our dangerous juveniles. I would like to see that
the swift consequences for crime have actually reduced crime
significantly. I would like to feel that parents feel that
the state isn't the enemy trying to take away their children,
but somebody that is there to literally protect like they're
supposed to. I would like to see a balancing of how we understand
the role of the justice system. It's become more of a focus
on procedures rather than truth and justice. We've got to
get back to the fact that that should be the focus of the
criminal justice system."
When voters go to the polls on Tuesday,
Professor Cassell says there are some important things to
keep in mind when they mark their ballots:
CASSELL: "When voters are voting
for an attorney general, they are voting for the lawyer for
the state of Utah. And so I think that means you want a fine
lawyer. And i think the most important attribute of a lawyer
is judgement, the ability to look at an issue and decide which
approach makes the most sense. You do want someone who's got
very very capable judgement and can decide whether it makes
sense to file suit against the tobacco companies. Those are
very very difficult issues and they require sound judgement.
That's the most important quality of an attorney general."
The winner of Tuesday's primary
will face Democrat Reed Richards and Libertarian W. Andrew
McCullough in November's general election.
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